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Proposed New Lede.[edit source]

Here is a re draft of the lede. with some citations as to suggested good practice in Lede writing.

Vernon Coleman (born 18 May 1946) is an English blogger and novelist who writes on topics related to human health, politics and animal issues.He was formerly a newspaper columnist , and general practitioner (GP)( British Medical Doctor). Originally coming to prominence as the original TV doctor in the UK.[1] [2] [3]. Dr Coleman again came to prominence during the 2020 Pandemic after publishing a video on youtube[4] [5][6][7] [8] which provoked criticism that he was a conspiracy theorist (DIF =>) [9], anti-vaccination activist, and AIDS denialist.

New proposed lede ends.

I realise that this page is contentious and have read the Archives and studied the difs, The article needs a comprehensive re-write although a good start would be to replace the Lead(Lede)[10] with a properly sourced encyclopedic Lede according to Wikipedia Lede writing guidance.[11][12]

[13].The last discussion for article deletion did not result in a consensus , but some cogent points were made pertinent to the current stale mate.[14] Cite error: Closing </ref> missing for <ref> tag.I am a casual editor of Wikipedia but have taken the time to study this process on this page in depth as I am currently coding a collaborative design application which uses semantic and ontological algorithms to mine data and offer consensus solutions to affordable housing community design, as such: I have as much time as is needed to do the grunt work on this. RogerGLewis (talk) 06:51, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

March 2021[edit source]

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MrEarlGray This process is what is advised and as the consensus process has not been set in appropriate neutral pages for adjudication by neutral editors your accusations are somewhat spurious. I have been making it clear I wish to follow wikipedia protocols If when the proper channels are exhausted the Lede is voted to remain in its current state I would of course comply, we are far from that point the process as set out in the now served edit warring notice makes that quite clear, see page.

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Template:Ping the various banners and templates are confusing and I am sorry I seem to have pinged Earl Gray I thought it automatically defaulted to the editor issuing the block? RogerGLewis () 14:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

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Note for reviewing Admin. Nowhere in all this has it been noted that Roger, having driven a Coach and Horses through talk page ettiquette, has also removed at least two entries to the discussion that I had made, messed with my signature at least once, and still has not even disturbed a pixel at WP:TPG. Hence my WP:CIR suggestion. Can we ensure that he stops banjaxing about with his stupid templates, that he still believes he is was placing according to guidelines. Get him to demonstrate some basic understanding of using Talk pages properly in terms of indentation, signing, templates, deleting peoples posts and in making the point economically. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 05:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your interjection Roxy the dog,It is quite clear that my own interjections clash somewhat with your own style. I have made some clumsy mistakes it is true, they have not been intentional. Your own tone I am sure you will agree might be misinterpreted your own talk page has a section on Sarcastic edit summaries, sarcasm and personal attacks can be mistaken for each other? Perhaps we could both try to engage in the process of making the Lead in the article in question better and follow the resolution processes recommended [15] [16] RogerGLewis () 05:38, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Regarding use of talk pages I have read the page, I have also seen it referred to on another editors talk page [17]
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Keep your arguments in the top 3 tiers. I don't know you, but from what I've seen so far you seem to spend a lot of time in the bottom 2. ~Awilley (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Template:U Template:U, curious that you two have not thought to confront PacMechEng for their advocacy of climate change denial talking points. Why is that? jps (talk) 18:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Nobody is advocating any climate change denial talking points in that conversation. Levivich , I think the point is well covered with this exchange on that talk page. I also read this Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; refs with no name must have content RogerGLewis () 05:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Coolabahapple () makes some still relevant comments in his vote to keep the article , found towards the end of the deletion discussion here [18] RogerGLewis () 06:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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Dr Vernon Coleman Dispute editing Wikipedia[edit source]

Gibson Byrdland links et-al[edit source]

Hi I am just getting used to the lie of the land around here. On the Byrdland Thread I have posted what I would say are useful additions to the information on that instrument. The Gibson Players list is a link and a poor one in terms of reference to the Byrdland. What is the problem do you think with the links I have posted? I collect guitars and have been researching the Byrdland model for over a year now. I own a vintage model and would like to see this section of the Wiki doing justice to the guitar. There are a number of edits I would suggest to the main article which is one dimensional in many respects relying mostly on the one source book, there is no reference to the 11th edition of the blue book or any edition of the blue book for that matter a material shortcoming in relation to any rare vintage instrument, even a cursory look at the shipping figures I posted a link to would show that the Byrdland is a rare and yet influential instrument. How does one discuss edits I do think there is rather a lot to discuss before this entry could be said to be satisfactry. I realise that Wikepedia is more than just a collection of links it does seem to me that such a big section of this entry relies on a link and an unimformitive one at that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RogerGLewis (talkcontribs) 19:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing here but having just reviewed the post above entitled a request, I am starting to form the opinion that there is some pretty arbitrary and undemocratic editing going on in here. I am looking to enter into a sensible discussion as to how I might collaborate in getting the Entry for the Gibson Byrdland into a shape that actually communicates the importance of the Byrdland model in the development of the thin line guitar. If Wikipedia is to be other than a collection of links it should also be less than the one dimensional precis of one old source book. RogerGLewis (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC) My intention is to restore the links I have made or at least provide the list of notable players I have compiled within the body of the article. All sources of players are actually accredited to their source as are the sources of the photographs of the players with their instruments where I have them. This represents 4 months work alone. The shipping figures I mentioned should also be placed in the article to give context to the influence of the byrdland in relation to the numbers actually manufactured. The raw data speaks for itself as represented in the link, but if to get the information into the article I am happy to extract the apposite numbers . There is an important article published by George Gruhn on the Byrdland a world renowned expert on vintage and rare guitars and the history of the instrument, that there is no reference to this article is a material shortcoming, in my opinion, of the entry as it stands. I am reminded of the old saying about those living in glass houses not throwing stones. RogerGLewis (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC) I have now slept on this and re-read what i have said above and reflected on the rules/suggestions as to what appropriate links to a subject/entry should be. A link that clarifies a point or supports a statement should be considered as valid. The existing link in this article to notable players leads to a generic list of endorsed gibson players of all of their models, the link I have posted whilst it links to a forum it is the moderated forum of the Gibson company in the Hollow and semi hollow body section of the forum. The Gibson forum is a valuable source of information on all things to do with Gibson models as a source it is useful and as a link re-enforcing an already weak link it would seem to me to add something to the article.WIth respect to the link to shipping figures the information on this site is extremely well researched and is the best representation I have come across of all shipping figures for Gibson guitars. A large amount of interest in Gibson guitars has been generated by the famous 1959 and 1960 Les Paul Standard model which have exchanged hands for $1,000,000 plus privately and at auction, prices in excess of $500,000 are routine. 1278 Les Paul Standards were shipped in 59/60. Now consider the Byrdland first production run up to 1969 when from 1955 through to 1969 only 1147 were ever made the largest production/shipping run being in 1968 when 198 were shipped. This sort of information is available by looking at the sources I have suggested as a link. The current precised entry looking at the history going way back has become very sparce but does not communicate the substance of this instrument either by example or by reference, On the above basis I propose to re-instate the links I suggest today and would ask that should other contributors wish to add a further piece within the main article contextualising the links, could we exchange messages and decide what would be appropriate. I would equally accept that some explanation ahead of the links could help to clarify what direction those links lead. There really isn't a condensed source of information on the web for the Gibson Byrdland and I am excited that Wikipedia at least has the opportunity to provide a window into the very great history of this instrument a lot of younger guitarists I think seem to have the impression it's just something that Ted Nugent plays?RogerGLewis (talk) 08:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

See below for the offending links. - RogerGLewis () 12:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Stop hand nuvola.svg It looks like you may have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia, at Anthony Wilson. Please do not add such material without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. The text you added to the page came from srushe (talk) 19:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

What am I doing talking to a robot. I actually removed this myself realising it was probably not good to cut and paste I added a line of text however mentioning that Anthony Wilson notably played and owns a late 50's Gibson Byrdland quite an important part of his sound particularly with Diane Krall her other well known accompiansit Russel malone also used a Byrdland when with Ms Krall. In all honesty this really is all in all a rather frustrating place to try to contribute . It's hardly suprising that it has a reputation for wild innaccuracy!RogerGLewis () 20:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


There are a few noteable ommisions from the list of Gibson Players, I would like to nominate a few for consideration where does one initiate the process of offering up worthy entrants for such saintification?RogerGLewis (talk) 05:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

It isn't a nomination process. If an entry satisfies the criteria of the lead-in they can be added. Some IP added Kenny Burrell... with no citations from reliable sources.. which are a must or else they are removed. The Real Libs-speak politely 10:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Hello libs, that was a guy from the gibson forums called Robert Nahaum he's from Australia and something of an expert on L5's and other Gibson Archtops and Jazz players,at least it was probably Robert he also nominated George Benson who played an L5 and there is a link to George benson in the Wilkipedia it is out of date in that it hasn't recorded his death several years ago. George Benson is generally accepted as one of the greatest jazz players of all time his collection of guitars was sold by Skinners of Boston last Spring I think it was the L5 which I think once belonged to Wes Montgomery sold for £41,000. Citations to reliable sources is an interesting one is the extant entry on George Benson considered reliable. What is the citation for KT Tunstall as an example?I'm sure that we will all get the hang of this eventually, it would be nice to be able to view entries without some obvious jarring omissions. One of the other Gibson Forum people mentioned Mary Ford who played Guitar with Les Paul, a gibson acoustic and a les paul when they came out part of the Les Pauls initial popularity was based on Mary Fords and Les Pauls celebruity in the US, Mary Ford really should be on the list there are plenty of others. Mike Bloomfield is a featured guitarist on the Gibson site this week with a sig model Les Paiul, Trini Lopez has a signature Gibson Model that alone would seem to qualify under the three headings. Thanks for your continuing input it is much appreciated. RogerGLewis (talk) 14:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Entries like that are great. But they need citations. Editor "experts" are = WP:NOR and fail WP:RS. Newspapers, magazines and books can all be cited. When it is a specific instrument... that instrument needs to be detailed in order to show "notability". Attempts have been made to add Bloomfield already... his inclusion would be superb. (he is on the Tele player list) But the entries did not have valid refs. Same for Lopez... another great addition (gloriously omitted up to now for lacking refs). An new entry should never just say "X played a 19XX X model". There are already too many of those that still need cleanup or removal. IF you want to see an excellent entry on a notable player list... go to the List of Stratocaster players and read the Rory Gallagher entry. Great wording. Quotes (cited quotes) are excellent additions. For this page most of the entries are still sparse (the Les Paul one being a good example) At the same time there are already articles for each specific model so we can't have too much duplication of content. The Jimmy Page and Keith Richards entries on this page are decent. The Billy gibbons entry is a good example of a shorter one. Again... quotes really help flesh out an entry. Leslie West is associated closely with the LP Junior. A quote from him about the little orphan would be welcome. Same for Johnny Winter and his long devotion to the Firebird. Does anyone use a 135 with more dedication than Thorogood?... not too many in the rock world. But his entry just says "uses an ES-135". *Sigh*... a continual work in progress. Just "using" a model doesn't cut it. We need to emphasise "notability". with citations... just as the article lead-in paragraph states (there are also some hidden rules on the page that are viewable when the edit box is clicked) Notable Gibson players doesn't just cover guitars either. The Achilles heel of the entire article is the lack of mandolin and banjo players. A few are included. A few more would balance the article out. Everyone and his dog has played a Les Paul. If the lead-in is followed it makes it easier to clear the "users" from the "notable users" I have read a few of the posts on the Gibson forum to your newly opened discussion. None of the editors "got it right" as none seemed to understand the strict criteria of the lead-in. And one post was full of information that was just flat out wrong. The List of Telecaster players is a good example of a notable player list. Hope that helps. The Real Libs-speak politely 16:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Thanks real libs, I'll take all of that constructive advice on board and set about preparing citations etc in line with the model examples of Billy Gibbons and Rory Gallagher (one of my particular favourites, so will enjoy reading that anyhow) On the Mando and Banjo front I'll e-mail a few of the guys into those instruments and see if I can drum up a bit of interest for them to mobilise their expertise in this direction. Thanks again RogerGLewis (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC) [19]

It really isn't worth the effort

Probably the most unhelpful environmnet I've ever encountered, I'm out of here.RogerGLewis (talk) 19:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

'Bye! Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 21:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC) Thank you, it's been interesting, a kind of reverse learning exerience. (talk) 07:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC) [20]

After 12 Years I think its actually got worse here on Wikippedia. [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] RogerGLewis () 13:22, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
  17. other editors of being "profringe" at FTN